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    ¿Uh? ¿Quién le puso las cinco estrellitas al tema?

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    ¿Y es tu posición que la gente "celta" en general, ya sea francesa, española, irlandesa o escosesa, era tenida por los ingleses por subhumana?

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    Qué hueva dan ambos!!!!
    The Amazing Cutter Biondo

    "El hermano de Aracnæ muestra su rostro.
    Su barco asesino es descubierto y naufraga.
    Su presunta victima, la de la ley en la mano,
    aparace salvo. Ahora, impotente, supersticioso es".





    Si algún día nos meten a la cárcel por bajar música, sólo pido que nos separen por géneros musicales.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dedos Sangrantes View Post
    ¿Y es tu posición que la gente "celta" en general, ya sea francesa, española, irlandesa o escosesa, era tenida por los ingleses por subhumana?

    ...españoles, tal vez; franceses, no sé; escoceses...mmmm, creo que ví un enlace por ahí que se decían sajones (sí, ya sé que que Escocia era zona celta, pero pudo haber pasado lo que en Inglaterra, o estar más expuesta a incursiones danesas), habría que buscar...

    ...y con respecto a los irlandeses, bueno, creo que ya he colocado bastante información sobre eso.

    Saludos.

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    Y si el problema era racial, ¿porque no hay nada contra celtas españoles y franceses?

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    "The Welsh and Irish Celts have been found to be the genetic blood-brothers of Basques, scientists have revealed. ... [Professor David Goldstein of University College London] and his colleagues looked at Y-chromosomes, passed from father to son, of Celtic and Norwegian populations. They found them to be quite different. ... To try to work out where the Celtic population originally came from, the team from UCL, the University of Oxford and the University of California at Davis also looked at Basques. 'On the Y-chromosome the Celtic populations turn out to be statistically indistinguishable from the Basques,' Professor Goldstein said."

    (BBC News, Apr. 2001)
    "Celtic nations such as Scotland and Ireland have more in common with the Portuguese and Spanish than with the Celts of central Europe, according to a new academic report. ... Historians believed the Celts, originally Indo-European, invaded the Atlantic islands in a massive migration 2500 years ago. But using DNA samples from people living in Celtic nations and other parts of Europe, geneticists at the university have drawn new parallels. Dr Bradley said it was possible migrants moved from the Iberian peninsula to Ireland as far back as 6000 years ago up until 3000 years ago."

    (Donnelly, Sept. 2004)
    http://racialreality.110mb.com/britons.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dedos Sangrantes View Post
    Y si el problema era racial, ¿porque no hay nada contra celtas españoles y franceses?
    ¿Para qué? El racismo se da cuando una raza domina a otra, y tiene que justificar su dominio.

    Ahora, tendría que buscar enlaces para ver si los alemanes de Adolfo, usaron alguna justificación racial para la conquista de Francia...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dedos Sangrantes View Post
    Sí, ya lo había comentado Atila unas páginas atrás, y yo había visto el estudio al respecto publicado por la BBC

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atila View Post
    Geneticamente, el Britanico (o ingles... de Inglaterra) es mas afin a la antigua Germania y Galia, ambos sobre una capa ancestral Iberica.

    Los Irlandeses, Galeses y Escoceses son mas afines a la eterna Iberia - con poco aporte de la antigua Germania o Galia - pero con cierta sazon de la Escandinavia vikinga, sobre todo en sus litorales.
    http://www.latrinchera.org/foros/sho...&postcount=213

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spiderman View Post
    Qué hueva dan ambos!!!!
    ¿No has notado cierta similitud entre los argumentos dados para justificar el Imperio Británico y su dominio sobre otros lares con los de los nazis?

    ...como ya dije, quizás el nazismo no se originó en Alemania...

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    El racismo se da cuando una raza domina a otra, y tiene que justificar su dominio.
    Falso totalmente, de hecho no estamos hablando de racismo oficial, sino de racismo en la sociedad, la cual no va a dominar a nadie, dudo que Emerson (norteamericano), si es que de verdad dijo lo que dicen que dijo, le haya dicho eso a su esposa para justificar un dominio. ¿Porque no hablaría Emerson de los "celtas" en general sino precisamente de los "celtas" irlandeses?, ¿cuando se oyó que hubiera racismo contra los judíos de una nacionalidad específica pero no contra los de otra?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dedos Sangrantes View Post
    Falso totalmente, de hecho no estamos hablando de racismo oficial, sino de racismo en la sociedad, la cual no va a dominar a nadie, dudo que Emerson (norteamericano), si es que de verdad dijo lo que dicen que dijo, le haya dicho eso a su esposa para justificar un dominio. ¿Porque no hablaría Emerson de los "celtas" en general sino precisamente de los "celtas" irlandeses?, ¿cuando se oyó que hubiera racismo contra los judíos de una nacionalidad específica pero no contra los de otra?

    Simple. Lo que leímos es un relato de él visitando Reino Unido. Ahora, tenemos que buscar si realizó un viaje a Bretaña (Francia) para ver el nivel de vida de los bretones. O al país vasco, si es que están genéticamente relacionados.

    Saludos.


    http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breta%C3%B1a

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    It is race, is it not? that puts the hundred millions of India
    under the dominion of a remote island in the north of Europe. Race
    avails much, if that be true, which is alleged, that all Celts are
    Catholics, and all Saxons are Protestants; that Celts love unity of
    power, and Saxons the representative principle.
    Race is a
    controlling influence in the Jew, who, for two millenniums, under
    every climate, has preserved the same character and employments.
    Race in the negro is of appalling importance.
    http://books.mirror.org/emerson/englishtraits.txt

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    ...caray... no, no es un enlace sobre ingleses, pero...

    Georges Vacher de Lapouge, in his study of European skulls in 1888, saw three European races and ordered their quality and value: European Man, Alpine Man, and Homo Contractus. He argued that none of these races directly correlated with a specific nation, but his descriptions of their behaviors and religious ideas were clearly meant to correspond to Germany, Southern Europe, and the population of European Jews. The naturalized German citizen Houston Stewart Chamberlain wrote in 1899 that the German race struggled to maintain its purity because of the Darwinian form of natural selection that caused Germans to feel a revulsion toward intermixing with lesser races. Overall, this putative science of race uncoupled nationalism from its liberal roots, implying that those who lived within a national community did not necessarily belong. One could act, speak, or feel German or French but never be German or French.
    http://science.jrank.org/pages/10962...on-Nation.html

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    ...misma fuente...

    In newly unified Italy, northern Italians in Lombardy saw the threat of southern peoples, the Sicilians or Neapolitans, as racially enervating. They were thought to be different because of their hot-blooded, less rational characters—elements believed to emanate from their hotter climate and their proximity to Africa. Similar ideas existed in Spain toward those from the south, in particular Andalusia. In northern Spain, notions of racial purity became important adjuncts of the Basque nationalist movement that sprang up in the late nineteenth century. The presence of foreign guest workers, or maketos, from other parts of Spain, was perceived as a threat to Basque purity. Sabino Arana, an early founder of Basque nationalism, proposed miscegenation laws in 1901 to prohibit the marriage of Basques to Spaniards.

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    Simple. Lo que leímos es un relato de él visitando Reino Unido. Ahora, tenemos que buscar si realizó un viaje a Bretaña (Francia) para ver el nivel de vida de los bretones. O al país vasco, si es que están genéticamente relacionados.
    En el mismo reino unido, Gales, Isla del Hombre y Escocia son "celtas", ¿no había discriminación contra ellos?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dedos Sangrantes View Post
    En el mismo reino unido, Gales, Isla del Hombre y Escocia son "celtas", ¿no había discriminación contra ellos?
    No estoy tan seguro de que tan "celtas" eran ya. Me parece que había visto algo de los escoceses sobre eso. Tendré que buscarlo.

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    De cualquier forma debes admitir que las citas que trajiste, son predominantemente anti-irlandesas, no anti-celtas. Específicamente se refieren al grupo irlandés ignorando a los demás "celtas" que tienen el mismo antecedente.

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    The third group, the Angles, from Germany settled southeast Scotland and portions of England. Warlike and hungry for land they drove out the Britons living near them, and carved out their kingdom. The Angles were the only non-Celtic race of the four main early settlers of Scotland. And this would prove to be a major problem for the Celts later on.
    http://www.scottish-history.com/origins2.shtml

    ...y si esos anglos, procedieron con los celtas originales tal y como lo hicieron con los que habitaban la futura Inglaterra, sería entendible que no se consideraran celtas los escoceses...

    Sin mencionar a los daneses que de seguro andaban rondando por ahí.
    Saludos.

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    ...y si esos anglos, procedieron con los celtas originales tal y como lo hicieron con los que habitaban la futura Inglaterra, sería entendible que no se consideraran celtas los escoceses...
    En ese documento dice claramente que los anglos fueron los únicos de entre CUATRO grupos que no eran celtas en Escocia, en toda la literatura aparece Escocia como una nación celta, igual Gales.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dedos Sangrantes View Post
    De cualquier forma debes admitir que las citas que trajiste, son predominantemente anti-irlandesas, no anti-celtas. Específicamente se refieren al grupo irlandés ignorando a los demás "celtas" que tienen el mismo antecedente.
    Pues, sigo dudando de su "celticidad" o pureza racial.

    Much work remained to be done in order to bring those parts of Scotland under Scandinavian control into the kingdom. In a series of campaigns lasting until 1202, William "The Lion" took control of Caithness, Sutherland and Ross. However, in the Western Isles, the hold of the Norwegians had been strengthened by military expeditions led by Magnus Barefoot. An alliance forged between Magnus and Scottish King Edgar in 1098 had left Magnus in control of all the islands to the west of Scotland "between which and the mainland he could go in a ship with the rudder in its place." Fifty years later, the Scandinavians were driven out of Argyll by Somerled the Viking who then defeated Godfrey the Norwegian king of the Western Isles and the Isle of Man. In 1184, Somerled, who overestimated his strength, was killed in battle by Malcolm IV of Scotland near Renfrew.
    http://www.britannia.com/celtic/scotland/scot3a.html



    ...en un lejano foro, algo similar se discute...

    http://foro.loquo.com/viewtopic.php?p=2325085

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dedos Sangrantes View Post
    En ese documento dice claramente que los anglos fueron los únicos de entre CUATRO grupos que no eran celtas en Escocia, en toda la literatura aparece Escocia como una nación celta, igual Gales.

    Cierto, y la pregunta es ¿hicieron lo mismo con la población escocesa, que con la que habitaba originalmente lo que ahora es Inglaterra?

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    Robert Knox was born the eighth child of a teacher of ‘natural philosophy’ on 4 September 1791, in Edinburgh. He was educated at the Royal High School. In 1810, he joined medical classes in Edinburgh. The only recorded event of his university years was his just failing the anatomy examination; but redoubling his efforts to succeed in it, he passed very competently the second time around.

    From then until 1856 Knox gained his income, such as it was, from medical journalism, lectures, and various publications. His books about fishing sold best. His main writings were The Races of Men (1850, revised 1862), Great Artists and Great Anatomists (1852), A Manual of Artistic Anatomy (1852), and Man - his Structure and Physiology (1857). In 1856 he was appointed a physician at the London Cancer Hospital, Brompton (with some degree of honour conferred on him by the appointing committee). He worked there for the next six years until his death on 20 December 1862. He was buried at Brookwood Cemetery near Woking, Surrey. [2]
    the Celtic race does not, and never could be made to comprehend the meaning of the word liberty ... I appeal to the Saxon men of all countries whether I am right or not in my estimate of the Celtic character. Furious fanaticism; a love of war and disorder; a hatred for order and patient industry; no accumulative habits; restless, treacherous, uncertain: look at Ireland. (Knox, The Races of Men, p. 27.)



    Once again, such logic leads inevitably to a justification for refusing the Irish the right of self-government: "As a Saxon, I abhor all dynasties, monarchies, and bayonet governments, but this latter seems to be the only one suitable for the Celtic man"

    ¿Cómo te explicas que ese escocés se refiera de esa manera a los celtas?


    http://www.fathom.com/feature/122035/

    http://www.latrinchera.org/foros/sho...&postcount=187
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Knox

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    ¿Y cómo te explicas que un escocés se denomine "sajón"?

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    Scotland's Unionist culture has already become a world we have lost, investigation of which is hampered by the misleading notion of a ‘Celtic fringe’. Nineteenth-century Lowland Scots were not classified as Celts; indeed they vociferously projected a Teutonic racial identity. Several Scots went so far as to claim not only that the Saxon Scots of the Lowlands were superior to the Celts of the Highlands, but that the people of the Lowlands came from a more purely Anglian stock than the population of southern England. For some Scots the glory of Scottish identity resided in the boast that Lowlanders were more authentically ‘English’ than the English themselves. Moreover, Scottish historians reinterpreted the nation's medieval War of Independence – otherwise a cynosure of patriotism – as an unfortunate civil war within the Saxon race. Curiously, racialism – which was far from monolithic – worked at times both to support and to subvert Scottish involvement in empire. The late nineteenth century also saw the formulation of Scottish proposals for an Anglo-Saxon racial empire including the United States; while Teutonic racialism inflected the nascent Scottish home rule movement as well as the Udal League in Orkney and Shetland.

    http://journals.cambridge.org/action...ine&aid=190711

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